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we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, karzai becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the point still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china control the pacific. there is one thing that your ques
we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, karzai becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual...
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>> montanti: bosnia, el salvador, liberia, niger, sierra leone, iraq, china, indonesia, pakistan, haiti. did i say nepal? >> pelley: how do you keep it running? >> montanti: on a prayer. ( laughs ) >> pelley: she simply begs and borrows from doctors and hospitals, whatever it takes. she's traveled to the middle east, arranging passports, cutting red tape, and getting wounded children out one at a time. word spread among soldiers in iraq that an american charity called global medical relief is a lifeline. >> montanti: we are working in mosul. >> pelley: now, she gets a dozen emails a month from the war zone, most of which start with "dear sir." >> montanti: there's so many. >> pelley: how do these letters end? >> montanti: "please help." >> pelley: it was an email like that that started wa'ad on his journey with elissa montanti. and seven weeks after he arrived, wa'ad was scheduled for his first surgery to repair his face. he walked into the hospital, thanks to his new prosthetic leg. when you first met miss elissa, do you remember what she told you that she would do for you? >> wa'ad (
>> montanti: bosnia, el salvador, liberia, niger, sierra leone, iraq, china, indonesia, pakistan, haiti. did i say nepal? >> pelley: how do you keep it running? >> montanti: on a prayer. ( laughs ) >> pelley: she simply begs and borrows from doctors and hospitals, whatever it takes. she's traveled to the middle east, arranging passports, cutting red tape, and getting wounded children out one at a time. word spread among soldiers in iraq that an american charity called...
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is suspending $800 million in aid to pakistan. the obama administration says that the decision will stand until both countries can mend their rocky relationship. some experts say that the move is unlikely to pressuree the country to cooperate anymore. >>> more troubling news about the jobss market following friday's disappointing numbers. a new survey 64 .of businesses are not planning to hire in the next year. small businesses employ about half of nation's private s stor workers. >>> first day to reserve tickets for the 9/11 memorial in new york. it opens to the public september 12th. tickets are free and you can learn more about them at 911memorial.com. >>> and an ohio man is being called a hero this morning and rightly so after saving his own son's life. abc's matt gutman has details of the father who did not hesitate to put himself in harm's way. >> reporter: 3-year-old dylan mccoy turned deadly serious on saturday. he was jumping on a rotting piece of plywood, the wood gave way and dylan plunged 40 feet. hearing terrifying sc
is suspending $800 million in aid to pakistan. the obama administration says that the decision will stand until both countries can mend their rocky relationship. some experts say that the move is unlikely to pressuree the country to cooperate anymore. >>> more troubling news about the jobss market following friday's disappointing numbers. a new survey 64 .of businesses are not planning to hire in the next year. small businesses employ about half of nation's private s stor workers....
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is holding aid to pakistan. they're with holding it, expelling military trainers and they hope holidaying back all that money will make pakistan crack down harder on militants and terrorists. what's the best way to describe the relationship with pakistan right now? >> they've been an important ally in the fight on terrorism, they've been the victim of enormous amounts of terrorism, but right now they have taken steps that have given us reason to pause on aid which we have give on the their military and we're trying to work through that. it's a complicated relationship in a difficult part of the world. >>> and here's a figure for you. $37 billion. according to them, that much money could vanish this year from pockets. two out of ten dollars americans took in came in the form of money from government and when those extended benefits go away by the end of the year, some $37 billion onto go into people's accounts and hence won't go into the economy. let e let's go to kristie lu stout for your morning hit from hong k
is holding aid to pakistan. they're with holding it, expelling military trainers and they hope holidaying back all that money will make pakistan crack down harder on militants and terrorists. what's the best way to describe the relationship with pakistan right now? >> they've been an important ally in the fight on terrorism, they've been the victim of enormous amounts of terrorism, but right now they have taken steps that have given us reason to pause on aid which we have give on the...
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. >>> to pakistan fresh steps the u.s. took to track down osama bin laden. the cia reportedly ran a phony vaccination project in abbottabad, part of a plan to gather dna to figure out if the bin laden family was there and the pakistani doctor suspected of running the operation is being detained. r re reza sayah what do you know. >> reporter: it's not clear but they need to confirm he was living and hiding out in abbottabad. the intelligence source tells us that this doctor staged a fake vaccination campaign and he was advertising free shots and free vaccinations for the kids in abbottabad. the british paper "the guardian" is reported he hired two nurses who went around house to house and the plan was to get to the bin laden kids, extract blood and use syringes to match their dna with bin laden's sister's dna who died in boston last year. we spoke with residents of abbottabad and six of them tell us they went to house to house offering free vaccinations. we hadn't verified if they went from compound to compound. >> unfortunately we're having some problems tod
. >>> to pakistan fresh steps the u.s. took to track down osama bin laden. the cia reportedly ran a phony vaccination project in abbottabad, part of a plan to gather dna to figure out if the bin laden family was there and the pakistani doctor suspected of running the operation is being detained. r re reza sayah what do you know. >> reporter: it's not clear but they need to confirm he was living and hiding out in abbottabad. the intelligence source tells us that this doctor staged...
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shall we send that $700 million to pakistan? alisyn: i thought you guys just said that you two could work it out because you're reasonable, so what is going on here, dick harpootlian and brad blakeman we'll have you back soon to see if we can hammer out an agreement then. it's already bad news for farmers and a worry for consumers. today we are hearing that a brutal drought could become the new normal of millions of americans. we'll show you why in three minutes. this epic protest a year ago led to all sorts of questions about the tactics being used by some public employee unions. now some of those questions are being answered, as we get our first look at the actual game plan behind this. and casey anthony is out of jail, but where did she go? answers just three minutes away. >> she is gone, she is safe andee lab brat plans had to be made to keep the people away from her. her life is going to be very difficult for a very longtime, as long as there are so many people of a lynch mob mentality. so how about this weekend we learn so
shall we send that $700 million to pakistan? alisyn: i thought you guys just said that you two could work it out because you're reasonable, so what is going on here, dick harpootlian and brad blakeman we'll have you back soon to see if we can hammer out an agreement then. it's already bad news for farmers and a worry for consumers. today we are hearing that a brutal drought could become the new normal of millions of americans. we'll show you why in three minutes. this epic protest a year ago...
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involvement in afghanistan, pakistan and iraq has cost up to 4 trillion dollars over the past decade. your reaction to that? >> i think that study is badly flawed for a number of reasons. it's counting costs we would have incurred anyway for the existence of the military. it does focus on the potential explosion of medical costs. that is something i think even defenders of the defense department have said for some time that is an area of cost cutting we ought to be looking at. badly flawed but there are points worth taking into account going forward. >> gregg: unless anyone thinks we forgets, more than 6,000 american lives in various wars over the past decade, hundreds of thousands have been injured. ambassador john bolton, happy independence day and thank you so much for taking the time. >> thank you. happy 4th. >> heather: it appears that new york city's budget woes are far-reaching. the city will have to shut down the swimming pools and summertime programs. david lee miller looks how the money crisis will hit the youngest residents? >> we're not just talking about new york city, a
involvement in afghanistan, pakistan and iraq has cost up to 4 trillion dollars over the past decade. your reaction to that? >> i think that study is badly flawed for a number of reasons. it's counting costs we would have incurred anyway for the existence of the military. it does focus on the potential explosion of medical costs. that is something i think even defenders of the defense department have said for some time that is an area of cost cutting we ought to be looking at. badly...
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the big fighting is in kandahar and along the border with pakistan. this is an area they could turn over. they are doing it and it's a test case. canadians ceased their combat operations last week. they are going to replace their combat troops with 950 trainers. everybody is looking at the exit since the united states announceded we're pulling out. >> jamie: 10,000 of our troops will leave at the end of this year. and that has begun. how is it going? >> it's too early to tell. what happened is 650 troops left. they will not be replaced. that is the first increment of the 10,000 that you mentioned. so it will be, hopefully it will be more of a gradual reduction, so that we can meter the troops out as we take account of what is really happening on the ground. >> jamie: several generals recommended a slower withdrawal schedule than what president obama wants and is currently going to get. do you think we'll hear from them again? or in the military way will they just do what they have been asked to do? >> the thing about the military professionals, you ha
the big fighting is in kandahar and along the border with pakistan. this is an area they could turn over. they are doing it and it's a test case. canadians ceased their combat operations last week. they are going to replace their combat troops with 950 trainers. everybody is looking at the exit since the united states announceded we're pulling out. >> jamie: 10,000 of our troops will leave at the end of this year. and that has begun. how is it going? >> it's too early to tell. what...
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>> gregg: the killing of osama bin laden has certainly hurt the al-qaeda terrorist organization, in pakistan and afghanistan. but anwar al-awlaki is alive and well in yemen and he is planning additional attacks against americans. is the franchise there now the lead in al-qaeda and how dangerous and what can we do? >> al-qaeda is somewhat diffuse in the islamist most of the time. yemen a fertile ground. it does seem to be emerging as headquarters of sorts. yemen as a state doesn't exist right now. it was an iffy topic when it had a president but it essentially doesn't right now. so al-qaeda finding an open door. president obama came out and said the tide of war is receding but nobody gave that message to the islamist terrorists. we this had the christmas day bombing, not the one on the flight but the on other one on fed ex shipments. >> gregg: speaking of terrorists let's talk about libya and moammar khadafy who says he is willing to talk to america but he refuses to give up his position. so what is the point of talking to the guy? >> this has been going for five months. people have said that
>> gregg: the killing of osama bin laden has certainly hurt the al-qaeda terrorist organization, in pakistan and afghanistan. but anwar al-awlaki is alive and well in yemen and he is planning additional attacks against americans. is the franchise there now the lead in al-qaeda and how dangerous and what can we do? >> al-qaeda is somewhat diffuse in the islamist most of the time. yemen a fertile ground. it does seem to be emerging as headquarters of sorts. yemen as a state doesn't...
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secret deal with the terrorist network claiming it is helping al-qaeda move money and fighters in to pakistan and afghanistan. here now, a spokesman for four u.s. ambassadors. thanks for being with us. we known about their support of terror groups throughout the years, hezbollah and others but what about al-qaeda is this is the first time we've had solid evidence? >> it's actually not the first time. the four individuals that were designated in 2009. don't forget that the 9/11 commission report called out this phenomenon, said that al-qaeda and iran are working together. i think thursday's announcement is good news. we should congratulate david cohenfor making this announcement and pushing through this decision. i'm sure it was very difficult. the state department under secretary clinton has not been so forth right. hopefully by designating the six individuals that we can move the diplomacy and force a lost these countries that are protecting terrorists by not enforcing banking laws. certainly the u.n. has asked them to enforce banking laws. >> gregg: i'm glad you brought up the united nation
secret deal with the terrorist network claiming it is helping al-qaeda move money and fighters in to pakistan and afghanistan. here now, a spokesman for four u.s. ambassadors. thanks for being with us. we known about their support of terror groups throughout the years, hezbollah and others but what about al-qaeda is this is the first time we've had solid evidence? >> it's actually not the first time. the four individuals that were designated in 2009. don't forget that the 9/11 commission...
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and pakistan. the pakinstani government now banning u.s. diplomats from leaving the capitol city without getting special permission first. the announcement made in a letter sent to the u.s. embassy in islamabad, the 1961 agreement allows them to move freely. the u.s. is working with pakistan to try to resolve this issue. >> arthel: a texas gun store's phone has been ringing off the hook since some quick thinking employees likely prevented a deadly attack. greg ebert of guns galore called police to report a suspicious customer last week. that customer was arrested the very next day, just miles from the fort hood army base with materials that could be used to make bombs. ever since, he and his co-workers have been getting inundated with phone calls, thanking them for their vigilance. guns galore is the same shop where nidal malik hasan purchased a weapon before opening fire on fort hood in 2009. >>> a gun heist in california, more than two dozen assault rifles ripped off from a supply store in fort irwin. it happened july 15. investigators sa
and pakistan. the pakinstani government now banning u.s. diplomats from leaving the capitol city without getting special permission first. the announcement made in a letter sent to the u.s. embassy in islamabad, the 1961 agreement allows them to move freely. the u.s. is working with pakistan to try to resolve this issue. >> arthel: a texas gun store's phone has been ringing off the hook since some quick thinking employees likely prevented a deadly attack. greg ebert of guns galore called...
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>> bill: watch the judge on "freedom watch", # pakistan eastern time. alisyn: let's check in with jon scott for what's coming up on "happening now. jon: thank you, a massive dust cloud swallows a major u.s. city, crippling travel, knocking out power. what's behind this monster storm? >>> plus a frightening new warning for u.s. airlines, terrorists, having trouble getting people to carry bombs outside the body, might try to put them inside a body to take down a jetliner. >>> and imagine living to be more than 100 years old. how about living to be 1000? researchers say that reality is actually closer than you might think. we'll see you at the top of the hour. alisyn. alisyn: good stuff, jon, thank you very much. >>> well, he's leading all republican candidates in the polls and the pocketbook. mitt romney, far and away the fundraising champ of the 2012 season thus far. but does that mean he's going to win the nomination? we are live, looking at that from the nation's capitol. bill: we have dramatic videotape of a severe rain storm trap ago man under a brid
>> bill: watch the judge on "freedom watch", # pakistan eastern time. alisyn: let's check in with jon scott for what's coming up on "happening now. jon: thank you, a massive dust cloud swallows a major u.s. city, crippling travel, knocking out power. what's behind this monster storm? >>> plus a frightening new warning for u.s. airlines, terrorists, having trouble getting people to carry bombs outside the body, might try to put them inside a body to take down a...
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and pakistan. white house chief of staff william daly says it's in response to pakistan's decision to cut back on counterterrorism operations after the killing of osama bin laden. the u.s. typically gives pakistan more than $2 billion a year in security assistance. >>> u.s. joint chiefs of staff admiral -- chairman admiral mike mullen says china should no longer be described as a rising power, declaring it's a full-fledged world power hp he made the remarks at the start of a four-day visit to beijing. he called on china to become a global partner in addressing security challenges in asia and beyond. >>> jay si dugard speaking about her 18 years in captivity at the hands of philly and nancy garrido. she was 11 when kidnapped by garrido, a convicted sex offender, as she was walking to school. she talked about the long, horrifying ordeal with abc's diane sawyer. >> you would never know what she survived unless you notice how her face changes when she speaks of the past and the charm around her neck, a
and pakistan. white house chief of staff william daly says it's in response to pakistan's decision to cut back on counterterrorism operations after the killing of osama bin laden. the u.s. typically gives pakistan more than $2 billion a year in security assistance. >>> u.s. joint chiefs of staff admiral -- chairman admiral mike mullen says china should no longer be described as a rising power, declaring it's a full-fledged world power hp he made the remarks at the start of a four-day...
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and pakistan growing even wider this morning. now that pakistan has arrested a local doctor accusing him of helping the cia set up a fake vaccination sting to track down osama bin laden. reza sayah live from islamabad this morning. how did the sting work and how did the doctor's arrest impact the already damaged relationship between the u.s. and pakistan? >> yeah. this thing straight out of a spy novel, kiran. a pakistani intelligence source tells us that this pakistani doctor is in custody. it's not clear if he's going to be charged with anything. we know he's suspected of being linked with a very intricate cia plot to confirm that, indeed, bin laden was hiding out in abbottbad. the source tells us this doctor had staged a fake vaccination campaign offering free vaccinations and polio drops to people and children in abbottbad. according to the british paper "the guardian" he hired two nurses who were going around house to house offering shots and the plan was to use the vaccine, the syringe, from the bin laden kids or extract bl
and pakistan growing even wider this morning. now that pakistan has arrested a local doctor accusing him of helping the cia set up a fake vaccination sting to track down osama bin laden. reza sayah live from islamabad this morning. how did the sting work and how did the doctor's arrest impact the already damaged relationship between the u.s. and pakistan? >> yeah. this thing straight out of a spy novel, kiran. a pakistani intelligence source tells us that this pakistani doctor is in...
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of course, top concerns always pakistan and what's going on inside that country and north korea and perhaps the number one target, if you will, for gathering intelligence about what they are up to may well be iran. the u.s. believes iran is really trying to extend its influence in both afghanistan and iraq and around the world. there will be a lot of effort over the coming years to see what iran is up to. general petraeus in charge of all of that now as director petraeus. we will see if he gives up the nickname he had for so many years since he attended west point where his cadet, fellow cadet buddies, used to call him peaches petraeus. >> where's the peaches come from? >> you know, guys at the academy, they just sort of make stuff up. i found out recently that amongst his buddies, his fellow former cadets, many of them now two, three, four-star generals themselves, that name peaches petraeus has stuck over the years. close friends, amongst others, maybe behind his back. not too much to his face. he's often called king david petraeus. >> well, good thing he is a big tough guy. >> he doesn't
of course, top concerns always pakistan and what's going on inside that country and north korea and perhaps the number one target, if you will, for gathering intelligence about what they are up to may well be iran. the u.s. believes iran is really trying to extend its influence in both afghanistan and iraq and around the world. there will be a lot of effort over the coming years to see what iran is up to. general petraeus in charge of all of that now as director petraeus. we will see if he...
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last believed to be in pakistan, where taliban militants have launched attacks across that border against troops down in the southern region. it's those southern and eastern regions of afghanistan that have experienced some of the highest levels of attacks. and this all comes at a very interesting time. we're seeing a hand over of seven key areas across the country to afghan security force. as those hand overs have taken place we've seen an uptick in attacks and assassination attempts, and successful attempts at that. half brother of president karzai was killed last week as well as a senior advisor to him earlier this week. so, again, a critical time here in afghanistan, and allegations of a hacking by the taliban. >> david, good to see you. thank you very much. we'll keep on top of the story with you. >>> close to now a dozen declared gop presidential candidates now but still many voters are asking who else have you got? a lot of republicans, especially those on the christian right are saying they want texas governor rick perry to get in the race. we'll have more on that. first some live
last believed to be in pakistan, where taliban militants have launched attacks across that border against troops down in the southern region. it's those southern and eastern regions of afghanistan that have experienced some of the highest levels of attacks. and this all comes at a very interesting time. we're seeing a hand over of seven key areas across the country to afghan security force. as those hand overs have taken place we've seen an uptick in attacks and assassination attempts, and...
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the response has gone on for 10 years, including most recently the successful operation in pakistan. we know that we're covering in the context of rebuilding in new york and recovering in new york. we have moved into discussing prevention in terms of the information sharing that you talked about, an ongoing process. nsa and building up that capacity. prepared and is in terms of individual protective equipment. resilience is a new turf. -- term. i am not sure if it is a continuum as much as a continuing cycle. it is what he is one to talk about today, how we can build, redesign if you will, a free and open society that is better able to recover more quickly both economically, socially, in terms of transportation and everything else that it means to live in a free and open society after devastating attacks, whether natural or man-made. dr. flynn? >> thank you for your leadership of this committee. it is good to me with the other governors and alongside the commissioner who is doing tremendous jobs serving our nation. and the border patrol and now was deputy commissioner for customs bor
the response has gone on for 10 years, including most recently the successful operation in pakistan. we know that we're covering in the context of rebuilding in new york and recovering in new york. we have moved into discussing prevention in terms of the information sharing that you talked about, an ongoing process. nsa and building up that capacity. prepared and is in terms of individual protective equipment. resilience is a new turf. -- term. i am not sure if it is a continuum as much as a...
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al qaeda was dismantled and settled in waziristan and pakistan. this is not a nation-building exercise. this encounter terror exercise. we do not need 100,000 troops on the ground at the cost we are paying today in order to get the job done. [applause] and i am here to tell you that the future of the u.s. is not going to be determined in the prairies of afghanistan. the future of the u.s., whether you want to recognize it or not, is going to be determined by how well prepared we are to compete in a highly competitive 20th -- 20 per century, and that battle is going to be waged across the -- 21st century, and that battle is going to be waged across the ocean. as you walk off of this building, i want you to remember why we are in this race. it is about the generation behind us and the condition they will find our nation in. it is totally unsustainable, the debt trajectory that we are on. and number two, the reality of launching a new industrial revolution, it is within our grasp. it has happened before in our nation's history. problem-solving people
al qaeda was dismantled and settled in waziristan and pakistan. this is not a nation-building exercise. this encounter terror exercise. we do not need 100,000 troops on the ground at the cost we are paying today in order to get the job done. [applause] and i am here to tell you that the future of the u.s. is not going to be determined in the prairies of afghanistan. the future of the u.s., whether you want to recognize it or not, is going to be determined by how well prepared we are to compete...
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we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, kari becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the int still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china control the pacific. there is one thing that your questi
we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, kari becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual...
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i think the caller is right certainly in the case of pakistan and afghanistan. the united states lost sight of the importance of the region after the soviet the feet. certainly, i would hope there would be a sustained engagement that would be based on mutual respect and upon the principles that we mentioned earlier. with regards to what he mentioned about dealings in pakistan and elsewhere towards the united states, people in the middle east largely very much admire the united states for its educational institutions, the level of economic development, the basic rule of law, and so on. they were to come here, a study here, emigrate here, but there critical of some american policies. that is really the issue. we know what those policies are. host: last couple of calls. bloomington, illinois. caller: first of all, i just want to respond to the caller that the military saved muslims in southeast europe in kosovo. here is my question regarding europe. are there any elements in the arab spring in north africa that wants to integrate with europe? maybe in the future jo
i think the caller is right certainly in the case of pakistan and afghanistan. the united states lost sight of the importance of the region after the soviet the feet. certainly, i would hope there would be a sustained engagement that would be based on mutual respect and upon the principles that we mentioned earlier. with regards to what he mentioned about dealings in pakistan and elsewhere towards the united states, people in the middle east largely very much admire the united states for its...
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there is a route that comes through these areas, coming from pakistan into afghanistan. most of them are used for commerce. and this goes farther into the larger cities. but they also use this to bring in a equipment to tackle the coalition forces. this is the biggest city in the area, with the most local populace. this is a center for trade and commerce in the area. and these provinces where nato has not had much of a presence until quite recently, these are the border provinces that only began getting a large number of troops in the past year. the population is not very friendly to the coalition. so the population will harbor fighters for the taliban, and they will hold weapons for them and are aware of taliban movements. the approach for this province is to target, in a sense, the civilian populations. not with violence, but when they need intelligence -- you have to visit houses. you have to march out to where they are concentrated, to start knocking on doors, demanding to be let in. they will break the door down. but you knock on the door, trying to be as friendly a
there is a route that comes through these areas, coming from pakistan into afghanistan. most of them are used for commerce. and this goes farther into the larger cities. but they also use this to bring in a equipment to tackle the coalition forces. this is the biggest city in the area, with the most local populace. this is a center for trade and commerce in the area. and these provinces where nato has not had much of a presence until quite recently, these are the border provinces that only...
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information and we do speaking and we do also helping christians that are being persecuted in countries like pakistan. and we help christians who are suffering all throughout the middle east. >> and how do you do that? >> none of your business. >> isn't it anyone's business who donates to you? >> of course. but you see, a lot of the times if you disclose information who you're helping, it end up biting. >> reporter: the business in fact shoebat leaves to his manager keith davies who was down the hall selling shoebat's anti-islam books. when cnn had specific questions about the business, like perhaps the names of the high-ranking generals and experts he says are on his board of advisors, well, shoebat said get the names from davies. >> walid said that you would be able to tell us about your advisory board. you guys said you have generals and other high-ranking officials? >> correct. >> can you tell us who they are? >> off the top of my head, yes. let me see. i'm trying to think. names gone blank. they'll come back to me in a second. major general -- i can't remember. four star -- a three star general
information and we do speaking and we do also helping christians that are being persecuted in countries like pakistan. and we help christians who are suffering all throughout the middle east. >> and how do you do that? >> none of your business. >> isn't it anyone's business who donates to you? >> of course. but you see, a lot of the times if you disclose information who you're helping, it end up biting. >> reporter: the business in fact shoebat leaves to his...
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pakistan? where would you focus your attention? >> pakistan's an important challenge. there's not much we can do about it. we've tried all sorts of things there and nothing seems to work. i would say revitalizing our relationships in asia and the pacific. that's where history the going to be written in the 21st surgeriry. i would say involved there. better relations with ind ka ya with the countries of southeast asia. doing something about our energy situation that we're less vulnerable on vagaries of price and supply that would go a long way. again, i'd focus more at home on competitiveness, on improving our immigration policy. on the quality of our schools. on the quality of our transportation infrastructure and so forth. again, we have got to retore the foundations of american power. that's a prerequisite if we're going to lead in the world either by what we do or our example. >> restoration is the theme. i hope it's the subject of the next book. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, andrea. >> it's very provocative richard. >>> a word of warning the images you'
pakistan? where would you focus your attention? >> pakistan's an important challenge. there's not much we can do about it. we've tried all sorts of things there and nothing seems to work. i would say revitalizing our relationships in asia and the pacific. that's where history the going to be written in the 21st surgeriry. i would say involved there. better relations with ind ka ya with the countries of southeast asia. doing something about our energy situation that we're less vulnerable...
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responsiveness of the state wherever we're looking, whether we're iraq or iran today or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from beginning to sell the idea of a two-state solution and they're all within this september of an international state system and we're going in the wrong direction. >> what i see on the ground and i travel often to afghanistan is to be honest with all the power of the u.s. military, you have an incredibly competent military but in the end that's not enough to substitute for the poor governance that the afghanistan paid and the institutions provide. and so we're pushing businesses to walk uphill and we never get there and i'm sure you -- it's hard to find anybody to defend president karzai's governance. >> that's true, too. but good governance brings us back to something like the democratization, something like that procedure and it's going to be their own culture -- but it's going to be something the people will have a way to control, to change those who are going to run their governments. and this is something you can't avoid. when the dictators fall, you have put in place the basi
responsiveness of the state wherever we're looking, whether we're iraq or iran today or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from beginning to sell the idea of a two-state solution and they're all within this september of an international state system and we're going in the wrong direction. >> what i see on the ground and i travel often to afghanistan is to be honest with all the power of the u.s. military, you have an incredibly competent military but in the end that's not enough to...
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responsiveness of the state wherever they look, whether with iraq or iraq today or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from continuing to sell the idea of a two-state solution for israel and palestine are all within the concept of the international space system. that is, we don't have strong systems and things are going in the wrong direction. >> host: what i see on the ground when i travel often to afghanistan is to be honest with all the power of the u.s. military, we have an up credibly well-led military, but in the end that's not enough to substitute for the poor government there is and the institutions provide, and it's like, you know, we're pushing this rock uphill and we just never quite get there. i'm sure you wouldn't disagree and it's hard to find anybody to defend president karzai's government. >> guest: that's true too. it brings us back to democratization and that procedure and it will be their own culture, but it's going to be something where the people will have a way to control, change those who are going to run their government, and this is something you can't avoid. when the dictator
responsiveness of the state wherever they look, whether with iraq or iraq today or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from continuing to sell the idea of a two-state solution for israel and palestine are all within the concept of the international space system. that is, we don't have strong systems and things are going in the wrong direction. >> host: what i see on the ground when i travel often to afghanistan is to be honest with all the power of the u.s. military, we have an up credibly...
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when we went over -- after osama bin laden in pakistan. we actually had her heard that he was there maybe a couple of years before but you really have to fine-tune and continue to look for information that collaborates the story that people are telling you so you have a high chance that in fact, that does happen there, right? so if you send troops and you are really going after osama bin laden or going into gets jessica lynch. >> guest: exactly. they indicated she was in the city so we were part of a collaborative effort. it resulted in her rescue. you know, and actually i think that is i think one of the shining moments. my marines were spectacular and we were able to look at it and analyze it and see things that i could not have understood. they just did a phenomenal job and thanks to them, like they really saved so many lives on both sides really. it was their great effort that led to just a huge success for the marines. >> host: i have some other things to comment on. your mother is puerto rican so you are part latina if you will. do y
when we went over -- after osama bin laden in pakistan. we actually had her heard that he was there maybe a couple of years before but you really have to fine-tune and continue to look for information that collaborates the story that people are telling you so you have a high chance that in fact, that does happen there, right? so if you send troops and you are really going after osama bin laden or going into gets jessica lynch. >> guest: exactly. they indicated she was in the city so we...
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wherever we are looking whether it is with iraq or iran today, or afghanistan, to prevent pakistan from continuing to fail. the idea of a two-state solution for israel and palestine, and they are all within the concept of this international state. that is, we don't have strong response of state. things are going in the wrong direction. >> host: what i see on the ground, and i travel often to afghanistan, is to be honest, with all the power of the u.s. military, we have an incredibly confident and well led military. in the and that's not enough to substitute for the governance that the afghans and institutions provide. and so it's like, you know, pushing a rock up a hill. we just never quite get there. i'm sure you wouldn't disagree. it's hard to find anybody, -- >> guest: that is true. but good governance brings us back to something like democratization. something like that procedure and it's going to be their own culture that will sort of be a jerk to interview. but ill be something that people have a way to control and to change those are going to run their government. and this is som
wherever we are looking whether it is with iraq or iran today, or afghanistan, to prevent pakistan from continuing to fail. the idea of a two-state solution for israel and palestine, and they are all within the concept of this international state. that is, we don't have strong response of state. things are going in the wrong direction. >> host: what i see on the ground, and i travel often to afghanistan, is to be honest, with all the power of the u.s. military, we have an incredibly...
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others because that is what we try to do even like for example when we went after osama bin laden and pakistan, we actually had heard that he was there may be a couple years before, but you have to fine-tune and continue to look for information that collaborates the story people are telling you, so you have a high chance that in fact that does happen there, so if you send troops in you are really going after osama bin laden or going in to get jessica lynch. >> guest: exactly. part of the information we were able to pull from the fly over in the city indicated that she was in the city so we were part of the collaborative effort that resulted in her rescue. you know, and actually i think that is i think one of the shining moments of our sergeant but the marines were spectacular and able to look at this imagery and analyze it and see things i couldn't understand how they were seeing but they did a phenomenal job in coming you know, thanks to them and they really saved so many lives on both sides really it was there who great effort that led to huge success for the marines. >> host: you and i have
others because that is what we try to do even like for example when we went after osama bin laden and pakistan, we actually had heard that he was there may be a couple years before, but you have to fine-tune and continue to look for information that collaborates the story people are telling you, so you have a high chance that in fact that does happen there, so if you send troops in you are really going after osama bin laden or going in to get jessica lynch. >> guest: exactly. part of the...
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occupation, especially, afghanistan, especially, iraq and increasingly, the spillover of afghanistan into pakistan is causing a huge number of attacks there. and so what's been occurring is not just a large number of suicide attacks but a large number of anti-american-inspired suicide attacks. >> so besides the obvious policy of pulling out, is there another policy? >> absolutely. >> to prevent this. >> because pulling out, simply abandons our interests, ignores our interests. what this book suggests is a middle ground policy called offshore balancing. offshore balancing continues to pursue our core security interests and obligations in overseas regions but does so with over the horizon, naval power, intelligence assets, relies on economic assets and political tools and this is the core policy that we pursue as the united states for decades in major regions of the world, such as the middle east with great success, and we should return to this policy. >> can you give us specifics about how we should pursue the policy in the middle east. >> in the 1970s and '80s, the united states had core interests
occupation, especially, afghanistan, especially, iraq and increasingly, the spillover of afghanistan into pakistan is causing a huge number of attacks there. and so what's been occurring is not just a large number of suicide attacks but a large number of anti-american-inspired suicide attacks. >> so besides the obvious policy of pulling out, is there another policy? >> absolutely. >> to prevent this. >> because pulling out, simply abandons our interests, ignores our...
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that's what we try to do, for example, when we went after ow sam ma bin laden -- osama bin laden in pakistan, we actually had heard he was there maybe a couple years before, but you really have to fine tune and continue to look for information that corroborates the story that people are telling you so you have a high chance that, in fact, that does happen there, right? so if you send troops in, you're really going after an osama bin laden, or you're really going in to get jessica lynch. >> guest: exactly. part of the information pulled from our flyovers of the city indicated that she was in the city, so we were part of the collaborative effort that resulted in her rescue. you know, and, actually, i think that is, i think, one of the shining moments of our squadron did, but a lot of -- my marines were spectacular. they were able to look at this imagery, analyze it and see things that i couldn't understand in that. but they just did a phenomenal job. and, you know, thanks to them they really saved so many lives on both sides, really. the their great effort that led to, you know, just huge succ
that's what we try to do, for example, when we went after ow sam ma bin laden -- osama bin laden in pakistan, we actually had heard he was there maybe a couple years before, but you really have to fine tune and continue to look for information that corroborates the story that people are telling you so you have a high chance that, in fact, that does happen there, right? so if you send troops in, you're really going after an osama bin laden, or you're really going in to get jessica lynch....
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i do not believe they are concerned about the pakistan nuclear weapons. i would like your comments. >> i agree. i don't think the pakistani nuclear weapons have very much to do with how we have responded. that came later when they were thinking of elaborating in a letter redoing? it was template a quick response to a horrific attack if the united states for about i would not be surprised with the sophisticated taliban are thinking in those terms i don't think the average guy is thinking about it but i think it takes extraordinary of leadership and intelligent leadership to see the full depth and the drive of history to determine what it is that you do today. one of the sad parts of vietnam over and over is how ignorant our leaders were about what was going on and i would venture to add, i am not sure we're all that smart about what goes on with afghanistan today. >> any closing thoughts? >> had generally that it has been a pleasure to work with the book with my father. [applause] i have learned a lot from him and thanks to my uncle who has helped a lot as
i do not believe they are concerned about the pakistan nuclear weapons. i would like your comments. >> i agree. i don't think the pakistani nuclear weapons have very much to do with how we have responded. that came later when they were thinking of elaborating in a letter redoing? it was template a quick response to a horrific attack if the united states for about i would not be surprised with the sophisticated taliban are thinking in those terms i don't think the average guy is thinking...
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confirmed, we guessed, that hamid karzai is involved in corrupt links to criminal war lords and that pakistan's playing both sides in all of that. and, sure, these, this information is embarrassing to our government and, certainly, to other governments like the former dictator of tunisia who the wikileaks, this state department cable showed that he was operating a column tock rah si in tunisia, and he was chased out of office in the first arab spring revolution. um, the embarrassing information to many governments, but isn't this kind of information that informed americans ought to be entitled to know? and whether any disclosure actually caused harm has to be relevant to any prosecution. no harm ever subtle r resulted -- resulted from the publication of the pentagon papers. none. despite the government's property stations at the time -- protestations at the time that we'd be in serious national security difficulty if information came out, and the government has not yet identified any specific harm from the wikileaks disclosures. assange has, of course, been busy trying to fight extradition to s
confirmed, we guessed, that hamid karzai is involved in corrupt links to criminal war lords and that pakistan's playing both sides in all of that. and, sure, these, this information is embarrassing to our government and, certainly, to other governments like the former dictator of tunisia who the wikileaks, this state department cable showed that he was operating a column tock rah si in tunisia, and he was chased out of office in the first arab spring revolution. um, the embarrassing information...
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strength and responsiveness of the state's wherever we look whether it's iraq or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from continuing to fail, the idea of the two-stage solution for israel and palestine or all within the concept of the system and if we don't have strong response things are going in the wrong direction. >> host: what i see on the ground and a travel to afghanistan is to be honest with all the power of the u.s. military you have an incredibly confident will lead military. in the and that's not enough to substitute for the government's of the afghan states and institutions provide and and pushing we just never quite get there. it's hard to find anybody -- >> guest: that's true, too. this brings us back to something like democratization and the culture in their view is going to be something where the people will have a way if you change those that are going to run their government. this is something you can't avoid. when the figures for you don't put other dictators in you can put into place the basic institutions and procedures. >> host: he turned back from these issues in the news of t
strength and responsiveness of the state's wherever we look whether it's iraq or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from continuing to fail, the idea of the two-stage solution for israel and palestine or all within the concept of the system and if we don't have strong response things are going in the wrong direction. >> host: what i see on the ground and a travel to afghanistan is to be honest with all the power of the u.s. military you have an incredibly confident will lead military. in the...
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the united states is not a beloved and pakistan. and so turning over osama bin laden would not be an easy decision for the pakistani security establishment to make which is why, of course, we didn't tell them that we were going in because we were worried that there would give up the game. >> a reminder to the audience, listening to the california radio program, best-selling author richard north patterson about his current novel, "the devil's light." a question from the audience about a previous novel of yours. the question is, whether you knew obama was going to run when you wrote that book. >> no, i didn't. it had a very interesting experience. in fact, i will tell the story which is why i'm not in the boat or consulting business. in 2004 my wife and i were at the democratic convention in boston. i was doing research for the race. obama had just given his electrifying convention speech. his name was on everyone's lips. i ran into someone that i knew and he was with the obama campaign. he said, do you want to meet barack obama? bara
the united states is not a beloved and pakistan. and so turning over osama bin laden would not be an easy decision for the pakistani security establishment to make which is why, of course, we didn't tell them that we were going in because we were worried that there would give up the game. >> a reminder to the audience, listening to the california radio program, best-selling author richard north patterson about his current novel, "the devil's light." a question from the audience...
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and, therefore, we are stuck with a pakistan because i fear we withdraw, which? pakistan loses. oil we entice pakistan in various ways into collaborating in a stage withdrawal. so, this comes to the point that it really doesn't matter what happened in the past. if our goal is to somehow exit afghanistan without attempting to occupy it which is not a choice. we must deal with pakistan. i mean, who else can we? >> host: the question is not dealing with pakistan so much as what is the longer-term outcome in terms of are they going to come away from wherever we end up with a new status quo in afghanistan, we commit to the campaign of undermining their neighbor next door in india. that's -- >> guest: we can avoid that by staying in afghanistan permanently. or live with it. so here's exactly how i approach the foreign policy issue. you pose the question, if pakistan comes to be secure in afghanistan, we can destabilize india? may well. shall be therefore state permit in afghanistan? how do we prevent that? what i come to say yeah, i think pakistan and india have reasons to distrust ea
and, therefore, we are stuck with a pakistan because i fear we withdraw, which? pakistan loses. oil we entice pakistan in various ways into collaborating in a stage withdrawal. so, this comes to the point that it really doesn't matter what happened in the past. if our goal is to somehow exit afghanistan without attempting to occupy it which is not a choice. we must deal with pakistan. i mean, who else can we? >> host: the question is not dealing with pakistan so much as what is the...
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the response has gone on for 10 years, including most recently the successful operation in pakistan. we know that we're covering in the context of rebuilding in new york and recovering in new york. we have moved into discussing prevention in terms of the information sharing that you talked about, an ongoing process. nsa and building up that capacity. prepared and is in terms of individual protective equipment. resilience is a new turf. -- term. i am not sure if it is a continuum as much as a continuing cycle. it is what he is one to talk about today, how we can build, redesign if you will, a free and open society that is better able to recover more quickly both economically, socially, in terms of transportation and everything else that it means to live in a free and open society after devastating attacks, whether natural or man-made. dr. flynn? >> thank you for your leadership of this committee. it is good to me with the other governors and alongside the commissioner who is doing tremendous jobs serving our nation. and the border patrol and now was deputy commissioner for customs bor
the response has gone on for 10 years, including most recently the successful operation in pakistan. we know that we're covering in the context of rebuilding in new york and recovering in new york. we have moved into discussing prevention in terms of the information sharing that you talked about, an ongoing process. nsa and building up that capacity. prepared and is in terms of individual protective equipment. resilience is a new turf. -- term. i am not sure if it is a continuum as much as a...
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we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, karzai becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the point still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china control the pacific. there is one thing that your ques
we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, karzai becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual...
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a lot of us are concerned and defended as to how prudently weaver held in pakistan. the're building it to floods in the valley. we put in billions of dollars. they have objective measurements should the favorability is in the single digits. that is pretty disgusting when you're spending that kind of money trying to help people. i understand there's no objective standard in yemen. it to be impossible to measure it on an objective basis. maybe from into total testimony can you give me your description? >> thank you. in general, the experience is that the perception of american aid is positive. the way that i can help illustrate sex most poignantly is that we brand our assistance in most cases the route the country. it is clear. it is clear hewitt is coming from. this is important in terms of the messaging. it also means we're able to operate on our partners openly by the american people. this is well-received. it is done safely throughout the country. >> what would be your gut feeling if they did some standard. what percentage of people do you think would respond that
a lot of us are concerned and defended as to how prudently weaver held in pakistan. the're building it to floods in the valley. we put in billions of dollars. they have objective measurements should the favorability is in the single digits. that is pretty disgusting when you're spending that kind of money trying to help people. i understand there's no objective standard in yemen. it to be impossible to measure it on an objective basis. maybe from into total testimony can you give me your...
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>> sir, i believe the pakistanis know he is in pakistan. whether or not there is a -- >> let me ask you this. if they tried for about a week, do you think they could find him? >> sir, i can't answer that question. i don't know whether they could or not. because i don't know where he is. >> have we asked them to find him? >> sir, i believe they have. >> well, i'm asking. i think senator levin and i both ask together today. we are asking the pakistan government to help us find mullah omar who has tried to destroy afghanistan, who has formed an allegiance wth al qaeda, and so along those lines general allen, are we certain that i.e.d.s being used against american troops in afghantan and coalition working in general are coming out of pakistan? senator, i believe, yes, we are. >> smart. -- as a matter of fact, we have given pakistani information and buildings. is that not true? >> that's true. >> have they responded? >> no. >> i'm with chairman levin. this has got to stop. let's talk about corruption. have you read the article about the afghan c
>> sir, i believe the pakistanis know he is in pakistan. whether or not there is a -- >> let me ask you this. if they tried for about a week, do you think they could find him? >> sir, i can't answer that question. i don't know whether they could or not. because i don't know where he is. >> have we asked them to find him? >> sir, i believe they have. >> well, i'm asking. i think senator levin and i both ask together today. we are asking the pakistan government...
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if some of the late in wasn't pakistan, then -- was in pakistan, then let's cut off assistance to pakistan. for every hamlet, there is a nail. the truth is -- for every hammer, there is a nail. the truth is, it has not always work. we would like it just to have that relationship. but cutting off aid to influence policy has not usually worked. that said, congress will listen to your military leaders, listen to the administration. after all, as a student of the united states history and as someone who had myers america's founding principles -- who admirers of america's founding principles, i do believe that there was a reason that the founding fathers and the author of the american constitution led foreign policy to be the richer -- the jurisdiction-- the actuae done by the legislative branch. elected officials and members of congress, who make a lot effort now in this day and age to try and understand other countries -- their primary effort is to understand -- i understand their own constituents. many of the constituents in the congress have been supportive. i respect them for asking the qu
if some of the late in wasn't pakistan, then -- was in pakistan, then let's cut off assistance to pakistan. for every hamlet, there is a nail. the truth is -- for every hammer, there is a nail. the truth is, it has not always work. we would like it just to have that relationship. but cutting off aid to influence policy has not usually worked. that said, congress will listen to your military leaders, listen to the administration. after all, as a student of the united states history and as...
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seven agencies train and equip police in iraq, iran, pakistan, and dozens of other countries. this is two hours. >> good morning, everyone. thank you very much for coming. i am the director of the center for security sector governments here at the u.s. institute of peace. i would like to welcome everyone, and i would like to welcome c-span who are responsible for the robotic cameras you see all around us. we have had over 250 r s e p's for this event and the size of the turnaround -- turout for a friday on july speaks to the interest of this topic in washington. in the last gao report, there were seven agencies involved in providing police assistance to 107 countries. congress temporarily put a stop to efforts with the passing of section 660 of the foreign assistance act which banned the police assistance using foreign assistance funds. almost immediately the challenges of controlling narcotics trafficking, international terrorism, and the need to restore public order during peace operation starting in haiti in the balkans brought about new legislation that funded a variety of
seven agencies train and equip police in iraq, iran, pakistan, and dozens of other countries. this is two hours. >> good morning, everyone. thank you very much for coming. i am the director of the center for security sector governments here at the u.s. institute of peace. i would like to welcome everyone, and i would like to welcome c-span who are responsible for the robotic cameras you see all around us. we have had over 250 r s e p's for this event and the size of the turnaround --...
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will it have any type of impact on pakistan? >> pakistan says no. they're saying we can handle whatever it is, but, you know, this is -- this is a very important relationship, the u.s.-pakistan relation shi. -- relationship. it's in a very bad way. is it likely to completely unravel? no, the stakes are too high. but one of the things concerning the u.s. is we're bickering with the pakistanis and reducing aid, they're not helping us and they're not helping them. they're turning more to get help from china. they've had a lot more contact with china. the -- the whole issue is on that border. the border with afghanistan, waziristan, taliban, al qaeda, other troops are operating. >> pakistan will continue the fight, even without the $800 million in military aid, it will continue the fight against the militants. a lot of people are saying, where have you been until now? what fight is taking place at this point? >> it's true. it's a fair criticism. it's a fair criticism that the pakistanis haven't done enough in certain areas. you have to balance that by s
will it have any type of impact on pakistan? >> pakistan says no. they're saying we can handle whatever it is, but, you know, this is -- this is a very important relationship, the u.s.-pakistan relation shi. -- relationship. it's in a very bad way. is it likely to completely unravel? no, the stakes are too high. but one of the things concerning the u.s. is we're bickering with the pakistanis and reducing aid, they're not helping us and they're not helping them. they're turning more to get...
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pakistan, not happy. now, not long after that, pakistan threw out all of the meamerican and british military trainers working with the armed forces, the u.s. this time. not happy. last week, mike mullen accused the government knowing all about the murder of a journalist critical of the government. pakistan denies that and isn't happy. fast forward -- the white house confirms $800 million, more than a third here, a third of the united states annual anti-terrorism aid package to pakistan will be stopped. this is how president obama's chief of staff describes the relationship. and i want you to listen very closely for one word, bill dailey uses more than once. >> complicated relationship and a very difficult complicated part of the world. there's still a lot of pain that the political system in pakistan is feeling by virtue of the raid that we did to get osama bin laden. something that the president felt strongly about. we have no regrets over. but the pakistani relationship is difficult but it must be made
pakistan, not happy. now, not long after that, pakistan threw out all of the meamerican and british military trainers working with the armed forces, the u.s. this time. not happy. last week, mike mullen accused the government knowing all about the murder of a journalist critical of the government. pakistan denies that and isn't happy. fast forward -- the white house confirms $800 million, more than a third here, a third of the united states annual anti-terrorism aid package to pakistan will be...
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pakistan if they lose $800 million? what does it mean with their willingness or ability to beat al qaeda? >> well, there have been tensioned that were trying to be managed across three administrations, including the current one, and even this administration was trying not to use the aid as a lever. you deny them activities you want them to undertake. this is not a good place to be for either country. they create a path agreed upon by both sides where there are confidence building measures where you can turn the aid back on. >> so how do they get there, fran? is this simply a slap on the wrist or is it a real threat by the obama administration, that, look, they are fed up with pakistan and they are not going to deal with them in the same way? >> no, it's much more than a mere slap on the wrist? i don't think the administration wanted to find themselves having to get to the point. there's tremendous public pressure and congress for them to use this, and the problem is it's one of national pride. what you are seeing is pak
pakistan if they lose $800 million? what does it mean with their willingness or ability to beat al qaeda? >> well, there have been tensioned that were trying to be managed across three administrations, including the current one, and even this administration was trying not to use the aid as a lever. you deny them activities you want them to undertake. this is not a good place to be for either country. they create a path agreed upon by both sides where there are confidence building measures...